XDG base directory specification support #3470

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T14:25:46Z

This is the replacement for #3198, that fully implements #78, including documentation update, as requested in #3198 (comment).

I have not touched pi_.txt, os_.txt, vi_diff.txt, todo.txt, various.txt files.

Note: since it was not discussed, I assumed that ~/.gvimrc is replaced with $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/nvim/ginit.vim. Unless it is going away though.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T14:27:19Z

Most of documentation changes is replacing .vimrc (with dot) with vimrc (without dot).

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T14:27:59Z

Also many removes regarding windows (as I have no idea what should be written there).

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T16:38:40Z

3795136 hanged on unknown test. If 3796471 also hangs I am considering #3427 a blocker (instead of using temporary commit that sets gtest output).

BTW, I do not think ZyX-I@dcc02b2 should be a part of this PR, but I do not know whether this should be part of a separate PR, or of something existing windows-related.

justinmk · 2015-10-17T17:58:33Z

ZyX-I@dcc02b2 is ok for this PR.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T18:06:40Z

This one also hangs. Hang does not happen locally, thus I am waiting for resolution with #3427.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T18:22:59Z

By the way, not that this PR originally has &backupdir value different from #78: specifically ., prefix is absent (no backups inside current directory).

fmoralesc · 2015-10-17T18:25:05Z

src/nvim/os/stdpaths.c

+#ifdef WIN32
+  // Windows
+#elif APPLE
+  // Apple (this includes iOS, which we might need to handle differently)


I think we decided to use the same XDG paths as in other *nixes for OSX (see #3198 (comment) and following)

Yes 👍 Treat OSX as unix. Haters gonna hate.

justinmk · 2015-10-17T18:26:17Z

&backupdir value different from #78: specifically ., prefix is absent (no backups inside current directory).

👍 One of the major advantages of adopting XDG is that we have standard directories to persist swap/undo/backup. We should default to using those and consider enabling swap & persistent undo by default.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T18:28:21Z

Also it would be good to merge #1909 before this: to place socket in $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR I in any case need a single entry point.

justinmk · 2015-10-17T18:30:53Z

src/nvim/version.c

-  version_msg(_(" 3rd user vimrc file: \""));
-  version_msg(USR_VIMRC_FILE3);
-  version_msg("\"\n");
-#endif  // ifdef USR_VIMRC_FILE3
 #ifdef USR_EXRC_FILE


I do not think it makes sense to support USR_EXRC_FILE or USR_EXRC_FILE2 if we are removing vimrc already.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T18:33:51Z

I have a reason to want ., default there: until we have support for // like &directory there will be overlaps.

fmoralesc · 2015-10-17T18:41:41Z

src/nvim/os/stdpaths.c

+static const char *const xdg_defaults[] = {
+  // Windows, Apple stuff are just shims right now
+#ifdef WIN32
+  // Windows


If we leave this empty for now, what would it mean for people who are building/using nvim in Windows already?

17.10.2015, 21:41, "Felipe Morales" notifications@github.com:

In src/nvim/os/stdpaths.c:

+static const char *xdg_env_vars[] = { > + [kXDGConfigHome] = "XDG_CONFIG_HOME", > + [kXDGDataHome] = "XDG_DATA_HOME", > + [kXDGCacheHome] = "XDG_CACHE_HOME", > + [kXDGRuntimeDir] = "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR", > + [kXDGConfigDirs] = "XDG_CONFIG_DIRS", > + [kXDGDataDirs] = "XDG_DATA_DIRS", > +}; > + > +/// Defaults for XDGVarType values > +/// > +/// Used in case environment variables contain nothing. Need to be expanded. > +static const char *const xdg_defaults[] = { > + // Windows, Apple stuff are just shims right now > +#ifdef WIN32 > + // Windows

If we leave this empty for now, what would it mean for people who are building/using nvim in Windows already?

That this will fail with syntax error. #endif is wrongly placed.

If it is correctly placed it should SEGV.

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We can stub it out with the examples from https://github.com/ActiveState/appdirs/blob/master/appdirs.py .

@justinmk Even assuming that C:\\Users\\user\\ from examples is ~\\ (I can’t reliably use $USER even on *nix) I have no idea what is AppAuthor. Also what exactly is AppName: nvim/Neovim/neovim?

@ZyX-I AppAuthor in this case should be Neovim, and the same for AppName. Supposedly, you could use the %AppData% environment variable, see http://blogs.msdn.com/b/patricka/archive/2010/03/18/where-should-i-store-my-data-and-configuration-files-if-i-target-multiple-os-versions.aspx

@ZyX-I @fmoralesc stub is here: #3470 (comment)

ghost · 2015-10-17T19:01:00Z

runtime/doc/autocmd.txt

@@ -994,7 +994,7 @@ expect.
 Environment variables can be used in a pattern: >
 	:autocmd BufRead $VIMRUNTIME/doc/*.txt  set expandtab
 And ~ can be used for the home directory (if $HOME is defined): >
-	:autocmd BufWritePost ~/.vimrc   so ~/.vimrc
+	:autocmd BufWritePost ~/.config/nvim/init.vim   so <afile>


Regarding all these references to ~/.config/...: shouldn't these instead say $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/...?

17.10.2015, 22:01, "Michael Reed" notifications@github.com:

In runtime/doc/autocmd.txt:

@@ -994,7 +994,7 @@ expect. > Environment variables can be used in a pattern: > > :autocmd BufRead $VIMRUNTIME/doc/*.txt set expandtab > And ~ can be used for the home directory (if $HOME is defined): > > - :autocmd BufWritePost ~/.vimrc so ~/.vimrc > + :autocmd BufWritePost ~/.config/nvim/init.vim so

Regarding all these references to ~/.config/...: shouldn't these instead say $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/...?

Not all of them: $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is not guaranteed to be defined since PR with approach which adds support for XDG_* vars to vim_getenv was rejected.

Most of other stay as-is because I am not fond of explaining WTF is $XDG_CONFIG_HOME and what is its default. I guess we need another section somewhere in documentation (options.txt?) with explanations.

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I guess we need another section somewhere in documentation (options.txt?) with explanations.

I think that would be a good idea. It's not too complicated, so I think it should be doable in a paragraph or two, at least as a high level overview.

I don't think it's necessary to be so specific. It is understood that ~/.config means "what ~/.vim used to mean". And for new users, also, it is easier to understand ~/.config than an env var from the linux desktop standard.

Eh, probably. Let's not complicate it further.

ghost · 2015-10-17T19:09:04Z

runtime/doc/filetype.txt

@@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ D. If your filetype can only be detected by inspecting the contents of the

   1. Create your user runtime directory.  You would normally use the first
      item of the 'runtimepath' option.  Example for Unix: >
-	:!mkdir ~/.vim
+	:!mkdir ~/.config/nvim


mkdir -p?

justinmk · 2015-10-17T19:23:39Z

XDG defaults for Windows (reference):

+  [kXDGConfigHome] = "~\\$CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA\\nvim",
+  [kXDGDataHome]   = "~\\$CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA\\nvim",  //same as kXDGConfigHome
+  [kXDGCacheHome]  = "~\\$CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA\\nvim\\cache",
+  [kXDGRuntimeDir] = "",  //I don't know what this is for
+  [kXDGConfigDirs] = "$CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\\nvim\\nvim",
+  [kXDGDataDirs] = "$CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\\nvim\\nvim",  //same as kXDGConfigDirs

Note that this does not switch on "roaming" but that is out of scope for now. This should be good enough.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-17T19:27:24Z

@justinmk Try echo %CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA% in wineconsole cmd.exe. It will echo %CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA%. For %PATH% it works fine.

tarruda · 2015-10-26T11:48:28Z

Great, will update my nvim version with this branch. Thanks to all involved in this.

BTW could #3498 be caused by this?

wbinnssmith · 2015-10-27T20:50:34Z

hey folks,

anyone know where the default location for the autoload directory (so basically the runtimepath) went? neovim's not picking it up (for example, plug.vim in $XDG_DATA_HOME or $XDG_CONFIG_HOME).

:help autoload, points to runtimepath, and :help runtimepath claims that these directories are evaluated, but I can't reproduce this.

fmoralesc · 2015-10-27T20:55:34Z

@wbinnssmith In that case, you should place the autoload directory in ~/.config/nvim/ or whatever split(runtimepath, ',', 0)[0] is. It should be $XDG_CONFIG_DIR/nvim/.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-27T20:56:57Z

@wbinnssmith Location of autoload directory did not change at all. The only thing which did change is the default value of &runtimepath. You may create autoload subdirectory in any directory you will see in :set runtimepath? output.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-27T21:00:07Z

@wbinnssmith If you are not using some plugin manager it is now expected that you put plug.vim (i.e. third-party autoload file) into $XDG_DATA_HOME/nvim/autoload. $XDG_DATA_HOME defaults to ~/.local/share.

Note: putting it into $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/nvim/autoload (which is ~/.config/nvim/autoload by default) will also work, but this is going against XDG spec: plug.vim is not a user configuration file.

ZyX-I · 2015-10-27T21:01:42Z

@fmoralesc There is no $XDG_CONFIG_DIR: there are variables $XDG_CONFIG_HOME (one directory, default ~/.config) and $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS (colon-separated list, default /etc/xdg).

wbinnssmith · 2015-10-27T21:05:41Z

Location of autoload directory did not change at all. The only thing which did change is the default value of &runtimepath. You may create autoload subdirectory in any directory you will see in :set runtimepath? output.

This is exactly what I expected it would be. Thanks 😄

re: $XDG_CONFIG_DIR, that was my slipup here on the comments. Should be $XDG_CONFIG_HOME

@wbinnssmith If you are not using some plugin manager it is now expected that you put plug.vim (i.e. third-party autoload file) into $XDG_DATA_HOME/nvim/autoload. $XDG_DATA_HOME defaults to ~/.local/share.

I'm actually trying to use a plugin manager in this case, which would in this case be the only file in autoload, yes? I agree that $XDG_DATA_HOME is a better place for this over CONFIG, but unfortunately neither are panning out for me at the moment. I'll continue looking into it.

fmoralesc · 2015-10-27T21:20:57Z

@ZyX-I Sorry, you are right about XDG_CONFIG_DIR; dunno where I got that from.

It's worth noting that ~/.local/share/nvim/autoload won't work: the default &runtimepath would not use that but ~/.local/share/nvim/site/autoload. (Why is that, btw?)

ZyX-I · 2015-10-27T21:53:48Z

@fmoralesc You are right, I forgot about site. About why: default for $XDG_DATA_DIRS is /usr/local/share/:/usr/share/. $VIMRUNTIME is normally /usr/share/nvim/runtime. So I used $xdg_data_dir/nvim/site to make structure similar to the current Vim variant: $xdg_data_dir/vim/vim74 ($VIMRUNTIME) + $xdg_data_dir/vim/vimfiles (third-party files). $XDG_DATA_HOME got site mainly because I have choosen to treat it identically to directories in $XDG_DATA_DIRS.

Additionally users that install Neovim in $HOME may use the same layout: VIMRUNTIME=$HOME/.local/share/nvim/runtime with plugins in $HOME/.local/share/nvim/site.

@wbinnssmith Note that I forgot about site subdirectory: ~/.local/share/nvim/site/autoload, not ~/.local/share/nvim/autoload. Though this should be seen in set rtp?.

wbinnssmith · 2015-10-27T22:01:02Z

@ZyX-I yeah, I resolved my issue — it was unrelated to the autoload path and just coincided with moving my configuration to XDG 😄

I do think that ~/.local/share/nvim ($XDG_DATA_HOME) should be in the runtimepath though. Do you agree?

ZyX-I · 2015-10-27T22:02:25Z

@wbinnssmith No. I have said why site subdirectory is there and it is useful. ($XDG_DATA_HOME is ~/.local/share, without nvim.)

Previous instructions are outdated as of neovim/neovim#3470.

There was an upstream change in how the config file locations are handled. So now I must symlink ~/.config/nvim/ -> ~/.dotfiles/nvim/ See: neovim/neovim#3470

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casimir mentioned this pull request Oct 26, 2015

neovim no longer opens my nvimrc file #3499

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wlhlm mentioned this pull request Oct 26, 2015

.nvimrc is not loaded any more #3509

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Put socket into $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR #3517

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Formula: Mention ':h nvim-from-vim'.

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Formula: Mention ':h nvim-from-vim'. neovim/homebrew-neovim#104

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[RFC] Add path definitions for Windows. #3242

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show better error message if we don't have permissions to swap/, undo/, etc. #4530

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Neovim Windows init.vim location #3700

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Use idiomatic locations for viminfo (shada) and undodir Tehnix/spaceneovim-layers#47

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Shorter $XDG_DATA_HOME/nvim/plugins dir #14329

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Store logs in XDG_CACHE_DIR rather than XDG_DATA_HOME #13706

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